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LA LAW: Newsom v Trump in Court—Who Wins?? W/ Joyce Vance!

Joyce Vance Breaks Down Trump’s Troop Power Grab, ICE Overreach, and the Fight to Defend the Constitution

In this week’s episode, Cliff Schecter and co-host David Shuster are joined by former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance for a deep dive into the legal, political, and constitutional implications of recent events in Los Angeles and beyond. The discussion focuses on Donald Trump’s usurpation of California’s authority with a typically dunderheaded and ego-based decision to federalize the National Guard to deploy troops in L.A. This has sparked legal challenges from CA Governor Gavin Newsom.

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Vance, now a law professor at the University of Alabama and MSNBC contributor, brings her expertise to unpack complicated legal questions around federal vs state authority, the limits of the Insurrection Act, and the dangerous erosion of democratic norms under the Trump administration. And to make a few jokes along the way.

Vance outlines how the use of ICE agents and masked federal personnel creates confusion and undermines civil liberties—especially when federal agents cover their faces like they’re Batman villains and refuse to identify themselves or follow proper procedures.



The episode also covers the broader implications of recent prosecutions of Democratic lawmakers, including the arrest of Senator Alex Padilla and indictment of Congresswoman MacGyver, raising alarms about the weaponization of the justice system. Especially by, as Cliff continues to remind us he should be called, “34-count-felon Donald Trump".”

Throughout, the hosts and guest emphasize the importance of knowing your rights, staying engaged, and resisting efforts to intimidate peaceful protestors. From legal advice on what to do if detained, to calls for state governors to stand firm against federal overreach, this episode is a timely primer for anyone concerned about the health of American democracy.

Despite the heavy subject matter, the episode ends on a hopeful note, highlighting grassroots resistance, pushback from career officials, and the importance of civic courage in the face of authoritarian tactics.

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